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Book of Job

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curlygirl31

curlygirl31

So I heard some girls talking about how the forum had gotten a little slow lately. Here is a pretty difficult issue that we could talk about. What is the book of Job about? Why would God let such terrible things happen to someone who didn’t deserve it? Also, did Job sin when he was talking to his friends? What are your thoughts? I would love hear your opinions.

February 12, 2015 at 22:10
STaylor

STaylor

The reason God let all those terrible things happen to someone who was righteous is that He was showing satan how much Job trusted in Him… Job never blamed God for the things that were happening, but trusted completely in Him… and really we all deserve much worse than what Job had happen to him… it’s only by the grace of God that we don’t get our punishment… so yeah… my thoughts on the subject. 🙂

February 13, 2015 at 11:24
Angel_Lights

Angel_Lights

I agree with STaylor. 🙂

February 13, 2015 at 11:39
marysetrueblood

marysetrueblood

Terrified by the idea what “we all deserve worse.” No human being ever to live deserves even that. It was, in my interpretation, an example of a test of Job’s trust, a fight against Satan, and something done that would gain Job, should he retain his love and faith, a place in heaven. It’s meant to teach someone that even if you feel as though the whole earth, celestial or not, is out to hurt you, you CAN retain faith and love and hope, and you CAN get into heaven–you’re not a bad person because bad things happen to you. Sometimes the opposite.
I’m horrified someone would read a story about strength in adversity and faith and good withstanding agony and think “Oh, well, we all deserve bad things.” Why would you hate humanity so much?

February 13, 2015 at 14:25
STaylor

STaylor

@marysetrueblood the truth of the matter is that we are all sinners-Romans 3:23, “For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God.” We are all inherently bad, we are born sinful-Romans 3:10, “As it is written: ‘There is no on righteous, not even one.'” We all deserve to die and quite frankly go to hell-Romans 6:23, “Therefore, just as sin entered the world through one man, and death through sin, and in this way death came to all men, because all have sinned.” But because God loved us SO much He gives us the gift of LIFE-Romans 6:23, “For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.” Romans 5:8, “But God demonstrates His own love for us in this: While we were still sinners, Christ died for us.” You see because we are sinners (meaning we broke God’s law) we have to be punished (just as you would have to be punished if you broke any other kind of law). And the punishment we get for sinning is death and living eternity in hell. But Jesus stepped in and took OUR punishment even though He was INNOCENT! Because He took our place and punishment we can now have eternal life in heaven, but this act of love is a gift and as with all gifts you must accept it-Romans 10:9, “If you confess with your mouth, ‘Jesus is Lord,’ and believe in you heart that God raised Him from the dead you will be saved.” Romans 10:13, “For, “Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.” So you see, we deserve even worse than what we get, but because of Jesus and His love for us we have the opportunity to receive better things than we could ever dream of. I don’t “hate humanity”, but rather recognize the consequences of sin, and realize the beauty of God’s grace.

February 13, 2015 at 15:07
marysetrueblood

marysetrueblood

Okay, but then surely we are worth being saved. Surely, we are not so wholly bad that we “deserve” horrible pains and suffering. Just as yes, it’s bad and you should ackowledge it, to do something that, say, goes against your mother’s orders, you don’t deserve her disowning you, or throwing every mean thing she can think of your way. You need to learn, better yourself, understand your wrongs, and work for good. Yes, we’re all sinners, but “sinners” and “deserve damnation” aren’t always the same thing.
A repentant person who honors god, strives for good, spreads graceful acts and good works hardly deserves eternal damnation, and honestly telling me” but original sin” is just as stupid as saying someone who had an abusive parent will surely be abusive themselves.
Jesus saved humanity because he loved it, believed in it, and clearly loved it enough to think it was WORTH saving. If Sinner = Always Bad, Definitely deserves damnation makes little sense.
God created humanity, saw we were good, and kept us. If we were so terrible, he could have abandoned, cast us away, stripped our free will, or just destroyed us. But he hasn’t. And you don’t love something undeservedly. Not if it doesnt even have POTENTIAL for good. That’s why we HAVE free will. It’s a test of us to put the good foot we were given forward, and everyone is striving to shine their own personal light given by grace. That’s WHY God’s grace is so incredible. The trust he puts in his own creations who have free run of the world, the love he gives when we mess up and fall, and the faith and salvation we’re given… it’s the reason he’;s The Father. You don’t deserve to have your dad give up on you because you mess up. You deserve to know you messed up and try better, but you know your dad still loves you.
Also, how can you not hate humanity if you look at people, who have lives and loves and feelings and dreams and pains and fears, and say “yeah, if it weren’t for Jesus, you’d deserve Hell.” How can you possibly trust or like anyone like that? I genuinely do not understand.
Basically, my views are summed up by a lot of Romantic Literature from the 1800s

February 15, 2015 at 16:38
Angel_Lights

Angel_Lights

1 Peter 1:18-19
Im not to good at wording things (Actually I’m very terrible at it ) but this kind of puts out my view. I believe god punishes us if we don’t repent. And we are free from sin because Jesus died for us. So yeah……

February 15, 2015 at 18:26
Angel_Lights

Angel_Lights

I don’t mean to start a debate with anyone I’m just putting my view out there.

February 15, 2015 at 18:28
Broken Vessel

Broken Vessel

The Book of Job

God: Check out my homie Job, he’s doing so good, and we love each other so much

Satan: Yeah, but he wouldn’t love you if you took everything he has

God: wanna bet?

February 15, 2015 at 19:11
Angel_Lights

Angel_Lights

-Broken Vessel-
Haha That made my day xD

February 15, 2015 at 19:17
polkadotfireant

polkadotfireant

Broken Vessel: “Homie Job”… lol lol lol

February 15, 2015 at 21:04
STaylor

STaylor

@marysetrueblood I understanding what you are saying but I disagree with some of it… the one point you made is that if I were to disobey my mother that I would not deserve to be disowned by her… yes that’s true, but God is NOT my mother. See, my mother has sinned and has disobey HER mother at some point in time… she is no less sinful than I am, so therefore she cannot “throw the first stone” (John 8:1-11). However God is sinless and cannot even be in the presence of sin (Isaiah 59:2) which is why when we sin against Him our punishment is so server. And is also why we so desperately need a savior. God sent His Son to die in our place, to take our punishment (John 3:16). So if we accept the gift of Christ’s sacrifice we can NO LONGER be condemned, our sins have been forgiven and we have been washed clean by the blood that Jesus shed on the cross (1 John 1:7). And when we realize that we are forgiven, we are then called to repent. Not because repentance can somehow make us “good” because it can’t. Nothing WE do can save ourselves, or make us good, or make God love us more. God already loves us to the point where there IS no greater love, there is NOTHING we can do to change that. We repent because we realize that the sin we had been doing, the things we had been chasing are WORTHLESS, and EMPTY, and MEANINGLESS. We realize that God is SO MUCH GREATER than anything this world has to offer, so we turn away from it and flee to God. God loves us because He wants to, not because we deserve it, or He has to. He loves us because we are His children. And yes, we have to potential to be good, but only if we allow Jesus to make us more like Him, because on our own we cannot do anything to better ourselves. If we could make ourselves better then there would be no need for Jesus to have died. If it was our good works that got us to heaven then the suffering of Christ would have been meaningless. the last thing I would like to address is a comment you made toward the end of what you were saying. You said, ” Also, how can you not hate humanity if you look at people, who have lives and loves and feelings and dreams and pains and fears, and say “yeah, if it weren’t for Jesus, you’d deserve Hell.” ” To which my answer is this, I, (yes ME, MYSELF) I deserve to go to hell. I deserve to go to hell and have to deal with every kind of awful thing that hell includes. So when I look at people, I don’t see myself as “higher” than them, but as the same as them. The only difference between someone who goes to heaven and someone who goes to hell is whether or not they believed that Jesus loved them enough to die for them, and trusts that His sacrifice was enough. 1 John 4:19-21, “We love because he first loved us. Whoever claims to love God yet hates a brother or sister is a liar. For whoever does not love their brother and sister, whom they have seen, cannot love God, whom they have not seen. And he has given us this command: Anyone who loves God must also love their brother and sister.”

February 16, 2015 at 07:53
marysetrueblood

marysetrueblood

I mean. I guess I get what you’re saying, but honestly every bone of my body loves humanity, and will fight til I can’t breathe any longer that we are inherently good. striving towards light, and only when we turn away from it do we deserve Hell–and that, in my opinion, if only done by truly nasty things like murder, ravishment, abuse of someone else; and above all a lack of repentence towards these horrible acts. God is light and love, truth and sacrifice and selflessness. To strive towards those is to strive to be godly. And all humans want to do this at our core–no one is born evil. But when we turn away and break these things and never feel sorry, or repent, or turn back again, THAT is when we are not someone God can forgive, or accept again, and that is when Jesus’ sacrifice does not apply, because that person is not good.
Frankly, I don’t think this world is meaningless, either, and I’m starting to think that our philosophies, on a fundamental level, cannot be compromised, or agreed to. I’d feel every single action I ever took would have no meaning or good in it if I didn’t believe that God loves for people to be good, and that Jesus saved people because he adored them and knew they were good, and I please both Father and Son when I strive towards light and try to see it in others. That’s the foundation for my faith and raison d’etre. So I think I’ll leave this debate for now, because, really, I’ve nothing more to articulate.
Have a lovely day, everyone in this thread.

February 16, 2015 at 15:09
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