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faithhopechocolate

faithhopechocolate

Alright, the purpose of this is as research with real people, rather than with a bunch of books or Google searches. I have a friend who has a totally different opinion than me on feminism. This doesn’t bother us at all, we just sometimes have a hard time seeing from another view or knowing how to express our own. So I was hoping to get some various types of answers from ya’ll.

However, I do not want this to turn into a caps lock, offensive, “I’m right because I say so” debate. So here’s my one rule… if you are going to put forward and idea, try to have some evidence to back that up. Maybe an article, or a quote (with a way to find that quote in it’s context) or even just letting us know who introduced an idea to you. Just be respectful of one another.

So here are my questions for you.
1: What is your definition of a feminist?
2: Are you a feminist?
3: Why/why aren’t you a feminist?
4: How do you think feminism has benefited humanity?
5: How do you think feminism has been a problem? (I’d like everyone to try to see from both sides)
6: Do you think feminism is really that pressing of in issue today in America?

I’m looking forward to hearing from all of you! 🙂

May 21, 2015 at 21:14
faithhopechocolate

faithhopechocolate

1: The Merriam/Webster definition is “the belief that men and women should have equal rights and opportunities.” The words there I think would be fun to discuss is “equal.” I think another word we could throw into the mix would be “value.”

2: I am not a feminist.

3: Mostly because I think that while the idea was good, the term currently comes along with a lot of crazy ideas. But I do support parts of feminism.

4: Well, it’s pretty awesome that women can vote now, don’t ya think? 😉 And they have the choice to get an education and a job just as good as a man’s job. I plan on going to college and being successful in business.

5: Some feminists take those benefits and take them too far… by that I mean there are some who believe that women should not have the choice to stay at home and raise a family if they so choose.
“No woman should be authorized to stay at home and raise her children. Women should not have that choice, precisely because if there is such a choice, too many women will make that one.”
~Simone de Beauvoir
I argue that in traditional families, where the mom stays at home and raises kids, that woman still has the same value as a woman who chooses to make a career for herself. The idea is that women are viewed as valuable, which means ALL women are valuable.

6: I think that if it is pressing here, it is by far worse in other countries, and we should focus on the area of greatest need ahead of our own issues.

However… I am open to all other opinions with good logic behind them. 😉

May 21, 2015 at 21:30
PolkaDot

PolkaDot

1: What is your definition of a feminist? My definition of feminism is equality. Plain and simple. People complicate it way to much now days. When the feminist movement started it was with the soul focus of women having the same opportunities as men. Today it’s more about just seeing the opposite sex (both male and female) as an equal.

2: Are you a feminist? Heck, yes I’m a feminist! The people that are crazy about it and HATE men with a passion and call a guy opening a door for them rude aren’t true feminists by the definition of Webster. the term for women like that is ‘feminazi’ which by Webster definition is ‘an extreme or militant feminist’.

3: Why/why aren’t you a feminist? I’m a feminist because I am equal to men and men are equal to me. And equality is still a huge issue today. I mean women make 75 cents to every mans dollar. How is that fair? And women tend to stereotype men as being ‘dumber’. That isn’t fair either!

4: How do you think feminism has benefited humanity? Well, for starters it is no longer socially acceptable for a husband to constantly sleep around while his wife is at home waiting for him. We can now vote! It is possible for women to become doctors and Vets and anything they want to be!

5: How do you think feminism has been a problem? I think that the main disservice that feminism has done for everyone is that it has given the bitter women who just have a hate for men a voice. And in the process we have become to look like stupid, biased, sexist people. When in reality most of us just want to be treated like equal humans….Seriously that’s all.

6: Do you think feminism is really that pressing of in issue today in America? Yes I do! The stance of equality is always needed. Not to mention this world is still very sexist when it comes to women in general. And then there is the side of women that are very sexist towards men. Degradation of either sex is not ok, and that is why feminism is needed. Because degradation still happens all the time!

May 22, 2015 at 05:30
Mandi Pi

Mandi Pi

Basically sums it up for me: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/10/13/sexism-feminism-comic-rasenth_n_5976660.html (*Disclaimer: The only disagreement I have with the content of this is in regards to cross-dressing/transgender people [referring to the panel that says “because we think men who dress like women are jokes”].)

1: To me, feminism is simply believing that men and women should have equal value, rights, respect, and opportunity.
2: Yes, I consider myself one, however if I ever tell someone I am a feminist, I clarify that all that means to me is that I support what I stated in #1.
3: I am a feminist because while sexism is not *quite* as extreme as it could be, it is still very serious, and I believe both genders have purpose in the kingdom of God and should therefore have equal value, rights, respect, and opportunity.
4: Women’s rights have improved in that we can vote, hold certain jobs that we couldn’t before, are somewhat more respected in general, etc.
5: I think people have twisted feminism or made it too extreme. For example, saying that women are better than men, or saying that all feminists support lesbianism. However, twisting things or making them too extreme is a problem with all types of beliefs I think.
6: Yes. “Nearly 1/3 of American women report being physically or sexually abused by a husband or boyfriend at some point in their lives.” (*Found from Googling “what percentage of women are abused”). Additionally, women are cat-called all the time, but have you ever heard of a circumstance where men were cat-called by women? Also, I don’t mean to turn this into a modesty discussion, and I do not support the idea of women going topless, however I do think it’s true that the female body is highly over-sexualized. I read somewhere the interesting point that men’s nipples have no purpose besides sexual arousal, and women’s nipples actually have a function (they give food–LIFE–to babies for heaven’s sake), yet men can go shirtless and women cannot (I realize in some cultures they can). How messed up is that? And why is it perfectly normal for guys to show their stomach, and most conservative Christians are against bikinis and crop tops? (I am not saying that I would wear bikinis and crop tops, as I know that my own intentions would never be right, and showing that much of my body would be uncomfortable to me personally).

Good questions and discussion, Faith. 🙂 (Gosh I love these new smiley faces! 😀 )

May 22, 2015 at 08:07
AdventureGirl

AdventureGirl

Awesome idea girl!

1: What is your definition of a feminist?

“The term “feminism” originated from the French word “feminisme,” coined by the utopian socialist Charles Fourier, and was first used in English in the 1890s, in association with the movement for equal political and legal rights for women. http://www.newworldencyclopedia.org/entry/Feminism

2: Are you a feminist? Yes ma’am!!!

3: Why/why aren’t you a feminist?

I believe God has created men and women to be equal. When women are suppressed, we cannot use the gifts God has given us to the full extent. I am also a feminist because I believe women deserve equal pay for equal work, the freedom to feel safe, and the freedom to fully contribute to society and live the highest and best life possible.

4: How do you think feminism has benefited humanity?

Feminism has opened the doors for women to use the gifts, talents, knowledge and passions God has given them. This benefits everyone!

5: How do you think feminism has been a problem? (I’d like everyone to try to see from both sides)

Feminism is a problem when we go from fighting for equality for both genders to thinking women are superior.

6: Do you think feminism is really that pressing of in issue today in
America?

Yes ma’am! Although we’ve come a long way, we have a ways to go.

May 22, 2015 at 11:44
rainbowuni

rainbowuni

1: What is your definition of a feminist?
“The belief that men and women should have equal rights and opportunities.”
“The theory of the political, economic, and social equality of the sexes.”
(From Merriam-Webster)

2: Are you a feminist?
I do identify as a feminist.

3: Why/why aren’t you a feminist?
I’m a feminist because:
-women are often blamed for being sexually assaulted/raped.
-for 144 years, women couldn’t vote in America (and even then, the right was only granted to white women).
-not that long ago, women were looked down upon for wanting to have a career, instead of wanting to stay home barefoot and pregnant.
-girls are taught that they’re disgusting after they have sex, while boys…not so much.
-women are expected to do whatever it takes to look aesthetically pleasing to men 100% of the time (including makeup, shaving and even cosmetic surgery).
-women are expected to cover up parts of their bodies men are allowed to show.
-the gender pay gap exists.
-gender roles exist—and if a boy is “feminine,” he is shamed for being “weak.”
-in some countries, women still don’t have the right to vote, drive, or to not be sold as a bride at 9 years old.
…and so many more.

4: How do you think feminism has benefited humanity?
By promoting gender equality (right to vote, equal pay, etc.), opening doors for women in the workforce, bringing to light the issues of sexual assault and rape, as well as domestic violence, supporting other movements such as civil rights and LGBT rights, supporting the pro-choice movement/putting an end to back-alley abortions, advocating the importance of birth control…

5: How do you think feminism has been a problem? (I’d like everyone to try to see from both sides)
Feminazi: an extreme or militant feminist.
The extreme feminists that say “all men are pigs,” or “women kill all men and rule the world 2k15*” that give people the wrong idea about feminism aren’t really doing us any favors. (I can understand people’s hesitation to use the label, because of these people, but “extreme” people of any label exist—for some reason people don’t hesitate to use labels like “Christian,” “vegetarian,” or “vegan.”)
(*I’ve never actually seen this, but I’m sure it exists.)
Also, contrary to what a lot of people seem to think, feminism isn’t about forcing women to not be stay at home moms. It’s really about supporting your right to do that, or to do whatever else you want, and to do it because it’s your choice and not what you were pressured/forced into.
Ultimately, though, it’s sort of hard to find faults with a movement about equality…

6: Do you think feminism is really that pressing of in issue today in America?
Yes, in America and in almost all other countries.

May 22, 2015 at 11:59
BridgetteMarie21

BridgetteMarie21

1: MY definition of feminism is the belief that men and women are equal.

2: Yes, I am!

3: I haven’t always been, but then I read up on the founders of REAL feminism and realized that their beliefs aren’t far off from mine.

4: The role of women in society has greatly changed in the past 150 years. Now we can vote, we can go to college, we can pursue whatever job we want because of women who have paved the way.

5: Three words. Gloria Steinam and abortion. Feminazi’s like Ms. Steinam are the problem with feminism. The belief that you have the right to kill the child in your womb is complete and utter crap and I have no clue why it’s considered “empowering” to kill your child. It is quite ignorant of radical feminists in America to whine that they are “oppressed” because they aren’t allowed to kill their children when women in Africa and the Middle East are being doused in gasoline and set on fire for looking at a boy or being arrested for leaving their house without a male escort.

6: No. We have much bigger issues. That’s not to say that the wage gap is not an issue, but issues such as poverty and human trafficking and abortion are much larger issues. Sexism will always be prevalent because there will always be evil and sin in the world.

May 22, 2015 at 17:35
AdventureGirl

AdventureGirl

^I just wanted to point out that poverty, abortion and human trafficking are often caused by sexism. Women are hyper-sexualized in the media and in every day life, which leads them to be more likely to be forced into prostitution than men (although men and boys are trafficked as well, just not to the same extent as women).

Currently, poverty rates are higher for women than men; the reason for this is that women are often paid less than men for equal work. Another reason is that women are often stereotyped into jobs that pay less than a male dominated field.

As far as abortions, let me first say I am 100% against them under any circumstance. However, one cause of abortions is rape. If we quit blaming women for being raped (by promoting “modesty culture” etc.) and instead focused on punishing the crime and preventing it by other methods, it could prevent rape and thus cut down on a woman’s demand for abortion.

May 22, 2015 at 19:08
BridgetteMarie21

BridgetteMarie21

@Adventuregirl I agree with you, the root is sexism, however, I don’t think that feminism properly deals with human trafficking the way it should be, especially prostitution. Most people don’t realize the extent of the problem (especially with trafficking) so I think saying it’s a sexism issue kind of turns people off, you know?

As a matter of fact, abortions in the case of rape or incest make up 1% of all abortions performed. 2% is for the health of the mother and the other 97% is because of convenience. Honestly, I think that has to do with sexism too. Mainstream feminism tells women that they can’t raise a child and finish their degree, they can’t raise a child and get a good job, etc. I know this is also the idealogy of some employers as well, but I think feminism should be like “girl, your body is amazing and can support TWO of you at the same time and you get to watch this brand new little person grow inside of you, you’re amazing for being able to do that,” instead of “OMG kill it before it gets in the way of your life!”. Yah know? I totally get where you’re coming from though 🙂

May 22, 2015 at 19:22
Nate

Nate

Hello! I have a question for feminists. By saying that men and women are equal are you implying that we are the same? Like, we are (generally speaking) equally strong, equally good at various subjects, ect. I believe that men and women are perfectly equal, but not exactly the same. Most men have weaknesses that women don’t have and vice versa. We are made to complement each other. So does that still qualify me as a feminist?

May 23, 2015 at 14:33
AdventureGirl

AdventureGirl

Nate~If you believe in equal rights for men and women, yes, you qualify as a feminist 🙂

I do believe men and women are different, but I don’t know that the differences are quite as pronounced as the media and society would have us believe.
I like what you said about men and women complementing each other.

Here’s a thought: I think you’re right that different people have different strengths and weaknesses. I also think that God wants us to be complete, as in each gender being kind, compassionate, sympathetic, brave, strong, patient, logical, self controlled etc. And He created different people so that we could each help each other develop and strengthen whatever traits we’re lacking.

May 23, 2015 at 14:54
faithhopechocolate

faithhopechocolate

This is exactly the kind of responses I was looking for! 🙂

Several of you brought up the wage gap issue. Could someone maybe find an article or two supporting that? I have not seen the issue happening myself, although I am sure that it is an issue.

Also, thank you to everyone who clarified the difference between feminists and feminazi.

The question Nate brought up is one I’ve thought about a lot, too. I like the viewpoint that men and women complement each other, and I agree with it. I don’t think we’re exactly the same. So what I would want from feminism is for men and women to be viewed as having equal value, no matter what either one decides to do with their life. It seems as though we’re all on the same page here… equality, and not taking it so far as to say women are better than men, because that would really defeat the whole purpose of feminism for equality, wouldn’t it?

It’s really refreshing to see all of your responses. I guess I’ve been bombarded with the extreme side of things, and it’s nice to see answers from a lot of girls who are feminists and say things I completely agree with.

May 23, 2015 at 21:12
faithhopechocolate

faithhopechocolate

So in a few sentences, what would be the end goal you hope feminism will accomplish?

May 23, 2015 at 21:13
Justilean

Justilean

1: What is your definition of a feminist?
I define it as equality between men and women. On a deeper level, fighting for rights of all women (WOC, transwomen, etc). It also means fighting stereotypes for males such as “males are unable to control their hormones.” It’s a two-way respect thing.

2: Are you a feminist?
Absolutely.

3: Why/why aren’t you a feminist?
Because as a person who was born female, I cannot leave my home at night without worrying I might get raped. As a prelaw student, my views are some “hippie girl thing” that shouldn’t be taken seriously. As a young, married woman I should want to have kids and be happy to honor my husband by taking his last name (though he is not expected to respect me in the same way). As a woman if I get pregnant it’s something I was meant to do, and I have to submit to doctors and anyone else who finds a reason to invade my privacy and space. Because I cannot go to a doctor for PINKEYE without being pressured into getting pap smears/breast exams and I can actually be refused birth control if I do not comply. I could go on for a while.

4: How do you think feminism has benefited humanity?
American women can vote. Not just the special group of white women that got the right to vote in 1920, all American citizens provided they follow the laws.

5: How do you think feminism has been a problem? (I’d like everyone to try to see from both sides)
Radical extremists- those who think women are superior to men and ignore men’s issues in tandem with women’s.

6: Do you think feminism is really that pressing of in issue today in America?
YES. We still teach little girls that it’s important to act “ladylike” for the mere act of being born with a vagina and two x chromosomes. The feminism that’s pressing today focuses much more on cross-sectional equality than basic rights, and I am thankful for the women (and men) before us who fought for women’s rights.

May 26, 2015 at 05:46
Groundhog

Groundhog

1: What is your definition of a feminist?
Someone who supports feminism, which is “The advocacy of women’s rights on the grounds of political, social, and economic equality to men.” (Google)
2: Are you a feminist?
According to Google, I guess I am, but I don’t identify myself as one because…
3: Why/why aren’t you a feminist?
… I’m not really avid about it.
4: How do you think feminism has benefited humanity?
Woman suffrage! (which does NOT mean women suffering)
5: How do you think feminism has been a problem? (I’d like everyone to try to see from both sides)
I think that sometimes, people end up trying to make males and females the same instead of having equal rights. Scientifically, males are, on the whole, stronger than females. Does that mean a girl can’t be stronger than a boy? No. Does that mean a girl isn’t as good as a boy? No. Does that mean that if a girl is stronger than a boy, she isn’t a girl? No. I think that God created males and females uniquely and that’s beautiful. He also created diversity within the two genders so that yes, there are some girls are stronger than boys. Galations 3:28 – “There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.” I don’t think this means there is no such thing as male or female, just that God loves us all equally and we’re worth the same.
6: Do you think feminism is really that pressing of in issue today in America?
Honestly, I haven’t seen anything, but I could be completely oblivious. I, personally, think gender roles are fine, but if a girl likes “boy things,” that doesn’t necessarily mean she’s sinning. She’s just not a “typical” girl.

June 6, 2015 at 15:52
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