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Over my life I’ve had many doubts about my faith, but I’ve for the most tried to be faithful for a long time. I’ve read my whole bible and prayed very religiously. I’ve been afraid for a long time to think otherwise, there is no place for the unbeliever in the heaven and those who enter must trust in God totally. In January this year, I decided to come full out to my family and tell them how I really feel about my faith and they invited another strong Christian because they thought it was an issue. When I asked my parents questions, they remained silent and didn’t answer. When I asked the strong Christian, they told me my intellect was not above God’s and kept saying that to me.

I’ve noticed that as a Christian, you have to adopt a one-track way of thinking and analyzing things and that none of the answers are fresh and original logic from the actual person, but an accepted way of thinking that comes externally and is perpetuated by the bible and preachers. It never goes deeper, farther, greater.

Quite honestly, I’ve realized the only reason why I would keep adopting that as my belief, as truth, is because I’d be afraid to go to hell otherwise. I’ve found that I’d rather die an honest person and stand judged than live in dishonesty to avoid being harshly punished.

These are things I just have an issue believing:

-In a perfect God .
-A perfect God who makes ‘perfect’ people who then go on to make mistakes.
– People were made perfect in that case.
– That perfection is the state of not yet having made mistake, rather than possessing the ability to make a ‘mistake’.
-God, who condemns Adam and Eve for sinning and brings upon them disease, misfortune, suffering, incurable disease, pain, enmity, death to their descendants and more is irresponsible for it and furthermore that Humanity was asking for it by eating an apple.
-A world in which the devil is to blame for killing, stealing, and destroying and is called evil whilst God goes ahead freely to steal, kill, and destroy at an even larger measure and is called just, perfect, and good for doing so.
– People naturally deserve to be thrown into an eternal fire and suffer forever because we are not perfect in God’s eyes. Humans do not deserve anything, and if treated fairly should be tortured for all their existence (forever basically).
-People send themselves to hell, they choose suffering eternally because they want it. They not a Christian, meaning they want hell (after all, that’s what they spend all their lives trying to do, just trying to suffer more)
– Setting fire to a house then rushing in to save the day and quench the fire deems one a savior and hero. Condemning people then saving a chosen few of them makes one a champion and savior of the whole world.
– All people have wicked and evil hearts and are bent on doing wrong (why are we friends with them then?)
-Non-christian= bad person
– Christianity is not a religion, it’s a relationship. Can’t remember the last time religiously reading a book and speaking without reply counted as a relationship. Sounds like a religion to me, more than anything else. Seriously, when was the last time God directly and personally spoke to you? Last time for me was never.
– An all-loving being who punishes most people eternally can still be called a great and wonderful person, while Hitler is evil and terrible. (only at most 2.2 billion people are saved, what about the rest of the 7.4 billion on earth today? Are all those people terrible people who just hate people ?)
– A God who never answers prayers and yet is an ever-present help in times of trouble.
-A God who says you can ask for anything in His name and you’ll receive it and yet hasn’t answered any prayer of mine for the 17 years of my life I’ve lived in a Christian household.
– A God who orders the killing of babies and allows the raping and plundering of women, and still is good.
-A completely fair God, who gives everyone an equal chance to know him and be saved. (First it was only the Jews, now only Christians, most of which were born into the faith. What happens to those who aren’t?)
– Perfect love (which no one else has, apparently our love is too tainted and sinful) condemns people to hell
-The greatest love= brutally crucifying someone on a cross, resurrecting them and calling it all done.
– A person with qualities of wrath and extreme anger can still qualify to be better than everyone
-People who would never imagine even killing people and torturing them, but rather want to solve the world’s issues (poverty, illness, a lack of education and opportunities, getting rid of inequality) and just so happen not to be Christian are evil people while a harsh, angry, and punishing God is good and the most loving of all. If most anyone was in the position of God (omnipresent, omnipotent, omniscient) and looked upon the horrors that take place in the world for even just a a minute, they would answer the worlds prayers and help people out without a doubt. They’d solve all the problems. And they would reveal themselves to everyone so there would be no confusion. If a person would do so, why does such a God work in ‘mysterious ways’ and hide from his “children”?
-If we can be very good friends with non-christians, why must God only be able to throw them in hell and hold an eternal grudge on them (that’s something for an extreme grace and forgiveness above all other beings capacity for it).

-I must say, it takes one ‘hell’ of a creative mind to think up all those unique and wonderful diseases and punishments to give people on earth and in eternity.

I have much much more to say, but in short, I just don’t think God is that great of a person, or even perfect. Leaving humanity to struggle looking for solutions in the world, while He remains at peace in extreme negligence and being in a very passive-aggressive way abusive all through out (saying He loves people more than anyone else, yet ignoring their problems).

I’m never going to stop loving people and being kind to people, but there are some things I’ve tried so hard to make make sense, but I find that they do not correlate with my own idea of morality and love. What do you guys think?

Have a good day/night 😀

September 29, 2016 at 19:10


Probably not surprising: I can really appreciate this post. Especially the part about “Setting fire to a house then rushing in to save the day and quench the fire deems one a savior and hero.”

And honestly, I think that your issues believing these things mean that you have a far better system of morality than this supposed God, or anyone who can believe in them without issue.

September 29, 2016 at 22:01


@ Celby
I understand that you are doubting. I haven’t met a Christian who hasn’t had doubts–but your questions are natural.
Your main issue seems to be, “If God is good, then why is it in His will to allow his creatures suffering?” I suggest you read The Problem of Pain by CS Lewis.
““Setting fire to a house then rushing in to save the day and quench the fire deems one a savior and hero.””
In a way: If YOU were the God of the Universe who *defined* good, and had no obligation to save what he created, but died a HORRIBLE death to do it, wouldn’t you be a hero?
Btw, where did the Bible *ever* say it was okay to rape women? Or did you just assume that, because he commanded the executions of children?

September 30, 2016 at 10:04


Also. if you choose not to be Christian, then you must believe something. Atheism is *riddled* with holes and flaws, and so is every other religion.

September 30, 2016 at 10:05


@rainbowuni thanks! Ever since becoming a Christian I’ve just had issues with these things. They’re just not right. I’ve tried hiding it, faking it, but I know that deep inside I do not believe in such things. I’m not going to sacrifice my humanity to justify another’s deeds. Just the thought of those things comes across as morally disgusting. what normal person would do that? They would be considered an awful, awful , criminal.

I’ve tried thinking about suffering in such a way. As if it’s ‘normal’, ‘sane’, and a ‘proper’ way of teaching people to be better–just give them a disease and they’ll learn, right? Then I’m drawn back to the fact that God does not and will not ever suffer perpetually and eternally in hell and completely saves himself from the worst while leaving others the pain and calling it just and perfect. Even with Jesus’ life on earth, He’s far from the only person who has suffered a terrible death. When it’s Him who suffers it’s terrible and a cruel punishment for an ‘innocent’ man. When others suffer, it’s nothing and it is a right and moral way of being treated and a result of one’s sinful nature.

“Their infants will be dashed to pieces before their eyes; their houses will be looted and their wives violated (raped).” –Isaiah 13:16

That is a verse speaking about what God commands (his punishment) to happen to those who don’t worship him. I’m not justifying those deeds. I want little to do with a person who commands rape and the killing of innocent babies as a right and just thing.

There’s much more than that:

Setting all things aside, whether flawed or not, there are some things I’ll never agree to say are moral, sound, and good. I’m not up-taking another religion is search of “truth”. I’ve seen enough to just stop at that and not continue looking for answers to life’s issues where there aren’t any. I won’t stop being myself, and that’s what truly matters.

October 1, 2016 at 08:36


Hi Celby,
ARGHHH omg. Ok. I can completely identify where you’re coming from. Some of those questions are the reason I left American fundamentalist Christianity. This post might be all over the place, so apologies in advance. I also want to add that I’m still a Christian (though a unfundamentalist and progressive one who doesn’t go to church and disagrees with basically everything having to do with “traditional” Christianity) so my post will be from that view point .

Obviously, I can’t really answer those questions, and I think it’s really…well, foolish of people to try to give neat answers to them. That’s one thing I hated about fundamentalism—sure, they invite questions, but then they give nice little answers and expect you to agree and keep your mouth shut.

I was also told growing up that God might send accidents or something to punish you. It’s masochistic and evil to think God would give you disease or accidents to teach you something. I mean really, if, in the future, you had a child and they disobeyed, would you run them down with a car? It really disturbs me that some people view God like that. God is not like that.
There are so many problems with fundamentalism.

Oh and btw “Your intellect is not above God” is code for “I have no clue how to answer that question.” So congrats you asked a good question!

Anyway, my parents raised me in extreme fundamentalism, and honestly, for a while i was afraid to think. I took 3 years off between high school and college because I was so depressed and anxious and really desperate to figure out my faith. (Because even though I was a hardcore fundamentalist Christian something inside me knew that if you want to end your life when you’re only 19 something you’re believing isn’t right. I also decided when I was 11 that I would never marry because I knew I couldn’t “submit” to my husband…I didn’t realize at the time that was a pretty extreme decision for an 11 yr old. And I don’t think wives have to submit to their husbands, but that’s a whole other topic).

Anyway, I struggled with leaving fundamentalism for a long time, and it was actually love (and the Bible, remarkably) that brought me out of it. The verse about there being “No fear in love” made me quit believing in Hell. I made a topic on that awhile ago, and my view on it has only increased. If you look at the original language and context surrounding those verses I think you’d come to the same conclusion.

There is so much more I want to say, but this is already really long. Again, sorry if this is a crazy-all-over-the-place post and feel free to ask me anything if I wasn’t clear on something.

The sum it up…please, please do not be afraid to think, ask questions and tell the truth. Really that’s the best advice I can give you—tell the truth. Not the “truth” you learned in Sunday school or even in the Bible, but what you really think. Maybe it will correlate with what you learned in the Bible, maybe it won’t. Or maybe it will, and you will find that other people were misinterpreting the Bible. All in all, just please tell the truth no matter how hard it is—it sounds like a paradox but your life will be so much easier.

Also, don’t be afraid to change your view on things a bunch of times, have unanswered questions, and don’t feel like you have to explain your beliefs and your journey to anyone (unless you want to).

Don’t be afraid to not understand everything. Contrary to what seems to be the popular belief, you don’t have to have an answer for everything.
If you ever want to talk, you can email me at Adventuregirl2264@yahoo.com.

Oh and if you’re interested in checking out Christianity from a different perspective, I’m going to link you a few blogs/articles that are really great.




Here’s some articles I think you might find particularly interesting 


http://johnpavlovitz.com/2016/01/18/1o-things-this-christian-doesnt-believe-about-the-bible/ (I personally don’t agree with everything in this article, but it’s still a good, different perspective)


http://cindywords.com/faith-and-intellect/ (I haven’t read this article but it looks good)

Oh, and I just also have to add…If I, being a normal human, can understand your doubts and disgust with a lot of stuff you learned over the years, then God, who is infinitely kinder, more compassionate and understanding than I can understand it too.

Best of luck Celby <3

October 1, 2016 at 10:28


Thanks Adventuregirl! You are so understanding and my gosh, everyone and every Christian seems so happy and satisfied with lives and their faith and I usually just feel alone, but I’m glad you sympathize with me. It seems for everyone it makes complete and perfect sense each and every time and I’m just left wondering why to me it often doesn’t feel that way. I’m very appreciative of your words 🙂

October 3, 2016 at 16:18


Yeah I’m not sure why that is, when I was in high school I was really involved in church and felt like that too. I guess I tend to assume if someone’s a Christian they have the exact same belief about everything as I do (ie, views on hell, heaven, different rules you had to follow etc)
But now I find a lot of Christians are skeptical of hell–or don’t believe in it at all. And most aren’t as legalistic as I was. I also think that a lot of Christians differ from how I was in that they didn’t grow up ultra-fundamentalist, so they never felt the pressure to know everything and provide an answer for everything, which is really, really stressful.

So maybe in your case, they feel happy and satisfied because they don’t feel like they have to have the answer for everything? Idk…just throwing that out there.
Another reason could be they just don’t really understand. One fundamentalist church I was a part of was pretty sheltered. They didn’t really seem to understand that not everyone is middle class American, and some problems can’t be solved by just “following the Bible” or “Praying more”.

October 3, 2016 at 21:48


Here’s another really good article:


October 4, 2016 at 17:13


Thanks or your words of understanding @ AdventureGirl, and that’s a great article, certainly strikes a chord with me 🙂

October 5, 2016 at 05:46
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