Picture this situation in your head. There is a women about to jump from the roof of a building, what is your reaction? Should you react??What if she doesn’t listen to your pleas? What if she tries to jump anyways?? Would you try to physically stop her? I hope that your answer to all of these questions is yes!
I care about women, both before and after the birth of their child. I am aware of many pro-life organizations that provide diapers, baby bottles, and basic necessity’s for new mothers. Those are the kind of organizations that I want to be associated with.
|July 23, 2015 at 17:44|
This is also a thought provoking image:
|July 23, 2015 at 17:46|
Okay…I’m going to answer this piece by piece…
“Should I stop a women from suicide??”
“Picture this situation in your head. There is a women about to jump from the roof of a building, what is your reaction? Should you react??”
“But using an abortionists logic, it is her body, so therefore it is also her choice. If she wants to end her life than that is completely her decision. Her body her rules.”
“Whether or not a baby’s body is her own or not is relevant.”
“Many abortionists and abortion doctors agree that the baby IS alive, and that it CAN feel…”
Another thing to think about is whether feeling pain is a reason to stop someone from having an abortion. Since both pregnancy and childbirth can be painful to the mother, is it fair to protect the fetus on the grounds of pain? Just a thought.
“…and yet it is the women’s choice whether she wants to abort it or not, because it is her body.”
“And yet I should hope that these same doctors would try to stop a women from ending her own life.”
“The only reason abortion doctors define abortion as a women’s right is to garner feminist support…”
“Nothing could be farther from the truth! I am an “old fashioned” feminist, and yet I am still against abortion.”
“Another myth is that pro-lifers don’t care about women, and they don’t care how she cares for the baby after it is born. I wish I could say that nothing is farther from the truth, but I personally know pro-lifers who feel this way. That is tragic, and not an accurate representation of every pro-lifer.”
“I care about women, both before and after the birth of their child.”
“*the thought-provoking image*”
|July 23, 2015 at 19:48|
Whoa! Long one! 😀 Thanks for taking the time to respond! I am glad to know that you are well educated in this subject. I don’t have time to respond to this tonight, but tomorrow I can look up my reference, and respond. Tonight I am busy celebrating my birthday! (yayyy!!)
|July 24, 2015 at 18:44|
I have to go to work now, but here is the article that I had in mind when I made the statement that even abortion doctors know that they are baby’s. https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/abortionists-agree-abortion-is-killing/
I have a question for you, if you talked to the women and found out that her suicide was not a hasty decision, but a well thought out one. Would it then be okay for her to jump? Because at least she thought it out.
“What if she doesn’t listen to your pleas? What if she tries to jump anyways?? Would you try to physically stop her?”
So even though it is her right, and she thought it through, you would still try to stop her? I think that you see her in a very loving light, which is great, but you know that your moral duty is to prevent her from doing wrong to the best of your ability. Why do you not feel the same way about a living baby?
I know that you have some other great points, too, but I am legit going to be late for work. lol So maybe I can deal with those when I get back.
|July 25, 2015 at 08:32|
It was your birthday yesterday? Happy birthday!
If she had demonstrated that she was thinking clearly and had thought it through, then I guess my work is done. I’m not going to tell her “yeah, you’re right, suicide is the only option for you,” (and I wouldn’t do this to someone considering abortion either), but the reason I wanted to talk to her and ask her is honestly more for myself. If I had just ignored her, I would feel guilty–the same with if someone was hurt by someone/something else, and I just stood there and watched, I wouldn’t be able to just watch someone suffer and feel good about myself.
|July 25, 2015 at 10:41|
Well, I guess I have to respectfully disagree with you. I would even call the police if necessary to prevent a women from suicide.
That is a very thought provoking question! When a baby is physically attached to its mother, then it has no other way to survive, but when he\she is outside the mother then the baby has no more right to the mothers body than it does to the fathers or a strangers. After the baby is born, the only responsibility a mother has to the child is to be a caring parent, to place the child into a loving home, or a trustworthy adoption agency (that is also the father’s responsibility). The change is an obvious physical one. So the baby’s right to its mother ends when it is no longer physically dependent on her. After birth the baby has no more right to its mother than it does to its father.
Let me state that I believe abortion is okay in instanced where the mother is suffering from extreme mental pain, and the pregnancy is making it worse (i.e. a rape survivor), or if the pregnancy will cost her her life, because the mother always comes first. She has the top priority, in my opinion.
I also forgot to define what I meant by an “old-fashioned” feminist. I don’t like what feminists have become today. Saying that women are the same as men (same strength, same skills, ect.), which as a general rule I don’t believe to be true (although there are multiple exceptions). Old fashioned feminists pushed equality, not similarity. So I still consider myself a feminist, just an old fashioned one.
|July 26, 2015 at 18:02|
Can I ask why you would want to stop the woman from suicide so badly? I mean, I understand where you’re coming from, because suicide is really serious and I never want anyone to do it, but ultimately, isn’t it their right? Would you go to such lengths to, say, stop someone from getting a tattoo?
Why does the fetus get special rights, then? If the toddler will die without the mother’s body (or just the kidney, anyway) (just as the fetus will die without the mother’s body), does it still have that right (or at least get it back)?
And why is the mother more important than the baby? If the mother consented to pregnancy and the risks associated, but the baby didn’t consent to being killed just because of the mother’s condition…why doesn’t it get to live?
|July 26, 2015 at 19:21|
Because I love her. Just like I love the baby, and everyone else. As Christians we are called to love everyone. I would save her not for myself, but because I care about her.
Just a little earlier you used the term “baby”, now you say fetus?
Not all mothers consent to pregnancy. Sometimes it is a HUGE surprise, and sometimes it is rape. The mother has top-priority because she has multiple friends and people who love and care about her. But even if she doesn’t have them, I feel cruel saying this, but a grown women has a higher chance of survival than a new-born, and you want as little risk of loosing both of them as possible.
|July 26, 2015 at 19:51|
And I wouldn’t go through any lengths from stopping someone from getting a tattoo, because that is not a life or death situation (tattoos are actually pretty cool. Not gonna lie).
|July 26, 2015 at 19:52|
Well I love her too, which is why I don’t want her to suffer with the choice I make for her life. Of course I’d be devastated–even if I didn’t know her at all–but it would be selfish of me to expect her to accommodate my needs over her own, wouldn’t it?
Can I ask when I used “baby” that wasn’t referring to either a newborn or your point of view? If I did, I was incorrect, as the correct term for a child in utero os fetus–or embryo, in the earlier stages.
Why doesn’t it have a right to the mother? What happens that takes away such an important right from such a young, innocent child? By only granting the right to fetuses, you’re giving them special rights that no other living being has…why?
If it harms the mother in any way, she can terminate the pregnancy? Well, all pregnancies carry some risk, not to mention both physical and mental pain and trauma, as well as the miracle of childbirth that I hear can be rather painful…so is that sufficient enough “harm” to allow termination of the pregnancy?
You’re right, not all mothers (or women) consent to pregnancy–so why are you in favor of forcing them to be pregnant without their consent?
The baby could grow up to have multiple friends and family members that care about it too, so shouldn’t it be just as important? Not to mention, if it did survive, it has more potential life ahead of it than the mother, right?
|July 26, 2015 at 22:24|
Hello! I have been very busy so I have not had the chance to respond. I am still busy, though. You have also given me a lot to think about, and I am a very open minded person. So I am going to excuse myself from this debate to consider an answer. But right now I am just too busy to try to tackle something like this. I hope you have a blessed day!
|July 30, 2015 at 16:38|
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