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AdventureGirl

AdventureGirl

Do you think the reason some people become transgender is because of the stereotypes placed on men and women?

For instance, pink is a girl color. Dancing is feminine. If you’re a man who wants to do ballet (which is a reallllly tough sport BTW) you’re probably gay. Muscles are for dudes. Men are unemotional. Women are bad at math, because they are not logical. It’s really, really, weak if a man cries, or really has any emotions whatsoever. It’s not feminine to want to compete, win, play aggressive sports, or do something like parkour.

Heaven help us if you’re a woman who doesn’t like cooking. Heaven help you if you’re a man who pays (even a tinsy weensy bit) of attention to his appearance. Being compassionate and nurturing is kind of a woman thing (sorry guys, you make bad parents!) and being protective, strong and brave is kind of a man thing. (Sorry women, you’re doomed without a man)

^^^Clearly, I’m being sarcastic. There’s nothing in the Bible that states any of these activities are solely masculine or feminine. And it bothers me because society makes up these stupid little rules that everyone’s supposed to follow in order to be manly or feminine, and when the inevitable happens and you don’t fit into that little box there’s automatically something wrong with you.

You’re not accepted anymore. Since you’re not society’s definition of feminine you think,
“Maybe I’m actually a man trapped in a woman’s body.” Or vice versa.

I could be wrong–I’ve never struggled with gender identity, so please don’t be offended by this if you are transgender. It’s just something I’ve been thinking about, and I thought I’d share it to find out y’alls opinion.

April 15, 2015 at 12:38
McKayla Denise

McKayla Denise

I honestly think it does come from the Bible. In a way. Back then the men were kings, the leaders, they were the ones out there fighting the wars and do all that stuff. While the women were at home doing whatever the women back then did. From the beginning of time with Adam and Eve, that’s kinda just the way things have been. Of course you did have amazing biblical women, such as Esther, but how much do you really hear about women doing “manly” things in the Bible?

April 15, 2015 at 12:58
McKayla Denise

McKayla Denise

I also think hormones have a lot to do with it. Testosterone and estrogen play a major role in why women are more tender and gentle than men

April 15, 2015 at 13:00
AdventureGirl

AdventureGirl

I understand what you’re saying, but I still don’t think being nurturing/gentle is solely feminine, or being strong and protective is solely masculine. After all, Jesus was both, and later in scripture it says “There’s no male or female, you’re all one in Christ Jesus” (Galations 3:28) To me, that means we’re (meaning both male and female) are to be all the things Christ calls us to be– Kind, gentle, brave, strong etc.

As far as women leaders/women doing “manly” things in the Bible, there were.

Deborah (A female judge who led a successful military counter-attack against a king)
Priscilla
Lydia
Jael
Rahab
That’s all I can think of off the top of my head, but you should google them and read their stories in the Bible, it’s really cool 🙂 I don’t think Lydia and Priscilla did exactly “manly” things, but it wasn’t classic womanly-stay-at-home-in-the-kitchen either.

April 15, 2015 at 13:19
SlinkyKitty88

SlinkyKitty88

The ballet stereotype pisses me off. My boss knows a guy who’s a physical therapist for ABT, and while I don’t remember the actual percentage, most male ballet dancers are straight.

Haha, they’re smart too! They get to dance with gorgeous ladies and carry them about all the time.

April 15, 2015 at 13:56
AdventureGirl

AdventureGirl

And you can’t really have ballets or dances without them.

Ugh. In high school (I was homeschooled but we did co-ops) we would have dances and I guess guys thought they were solely for girls because the ratio of girls to guys was like 10:1 😛 Like hello, I really don’t want to slow dance with another girl!

April 15, 2015 at 14:07
Broken Vessel

Broken Vessel

YES! I’m glad you posted this, I was just thinking about it, but I wasn’t sure how to put it into words. I don’t have anything against transgenders, but lately, I’ve been seeing a LOT of people say “I think I was born in the wrong body, I’ve never liked/always liked
cooking
sports
short/long hair
pink
dresses.”
And I’m like…THAT DOESN’T MEAN YOU’RE TRANSGENDER

April 15, 2015 at 19:59
Project Inspired

Abbigayle

I personally tend to see gender as more of a social construct than a natural thing, which is difficult and often conflicting of how the Bible addresses gender, but I believe the Bible can change and be interpreted to now, ie we don’t stone people to death anymore.
I think most people are transgender because they honestly believe they simply fit a different gender than the one they were assigned at birth, and I think that makes sense and isn’t all to do with traditional gender roles, but they certainly play a part. In a way everything we do has to do with gender roles in some way because of how incredibly gendered everything in our society is. I’m rambling now so I’m going to stop but from the point of view of someone very close to a trans person, there are dozens of factors that come down to what the trans person inherently feels themself to be, not just the outside factors that exist causing them to feel that way.

April 15, 2015 at 20:42
AdventureGirl

AdventureGirl

I don’t think it’s a social construct, because it says in Genesis God created people male and female. I just feel like, no matter what, you are the gender God created you. You can’t get away from that.

For instance, no matter what, you are human. If you started acting like an animal, or even got surgery so you looked more like one, that wouldn’t change the fact that you are inescapably a human. You just are. What makes you one? The fact that God created you as one.

April 16, 2015 at 12:31
Marcy

Marcy

This is soooo true, AdventureGirl. As a girl who likes boy things, it took me a long time to figure out where I fit in. I think it’s so important to reinforce the truth that girls are girls and boys are boys regardless of what you like to do, and what you like to do and are good at don’t have any affect on which you are. I’ve been blessed with a dad who likes “girly” things and isn’t embarrassed by it (seriously, I was pretty old by the time I realized that cooking is not socially considered to be a guy thing), and he’s always encouraged me to do what I want to and never presented some things as the things girls like and some as the things guys like.

April 16, 2015 at 13:11
Broken Vessel

Broken Vessel

But here’s where I get frustrated when it comes to things like this:
“There is no male or female in Jesus :)”
“Well that’s good, because I’m agender! :)”
“WHAT DO YOU MEAN?! GOD CREATED THEM MALE AND FEMALE.”

April 16, 2015 at 15:26
AdventureGirl

AdventureGirl

Broken Vessel~Haha I totally see what you mean!

However, at the time that was written, gender stereotypes were even worse than they are now. Women’s freedom was extremely limited. I believe that verse is saying that there’s no *discrimination* in Jesus. Does that make sense?

Because it also mentions there’s no Jew or Gentile; I’m not Jewish, which makes me Gentile, so clearly God isn’t saying there’s no nationalities/whatever you Jewish people and Gentiles, because there is; but it doesn’t matter. What it’s saying is that God doesn’t look at any of us differently based on our genders or nationalities.

I also think it’s unfair to label certain activities male and female because God can give each of us different gifts. It’s so unfair to tell people they can’t do something they’re interested or gifted in because it’s a girly or boyish thing. .

April 16, 2015 at 17:30
AdventureGirl

AdventureGirl

Marcy~ I’ve never understood why cooking should be solely a “woman” thing. I mean c’mon everyone needs food! lol XD
I’m glad you had support for your abilities and interests! My parents have always been very accommodating and encouraging as well in whatever I want to do 😀

April 16, 2015 at 17:34
marysetrueblood

marysetrueblood

I think the thing is that SEX, as in, reproductive organ alignment is real. Gender roles/stereotypes are what happened when society decided to predestine one another using that. Some people react by being aware that these stereotypes are unnatural and they can do what they want despite it, or some decide to reject gender as society dictates it, and identify with something else.
AdventureGirl, you’re on the right track there, and for some people, that plays a part. Not all, though. I know some transgender people who experience dysphoria, which is a medical symptom of truly feeling one’s birth sex and gender are wrong, and it’s a physical as well as psychological thing. My best friend is a trans man, and he’s not exactly the stereotypical boy (though a relatively normal one) so it’s not necessarily one thing or the next.
I do think we should bring up our kids identically, regardless of sex, and encourage them to be who they are regardless of it, rather than dictating that because of it.

April 16, 2015 at 18:41
Marcy

Marcy

AdventureGirl–LOL Personally I’ve always thought guys should know more about cooking than girls because guys eat more food. 😀

April 16, 2015 at 20:00
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