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thatJesusGossip

thatJesusGossip

I’ve been wondering what to think about the decision to be transgendered. I do not want to make that change, I am fine with being a girl. However, I am unsure of what the Bible says about it. It is not as clear as murder or homosexuality, and I was wondering what your opinions are.

May 31, 2015 at 10:30
f u

f u

My sister is transitioning to a guy. It’s hard, just because she has been my sister my whole life. Now I am just gonna switch to being the oldest girl? It’s definitely harder on me I think.. But, honestly she’s happy. So, I’m happy. I don’t care what the Bible says. God will love her no matter what and so will I. That’s all that matters to me.
Oh! And being trans isn’t a choice. Her whole life she has felt like she was stuck in the wrong body. It is NOT a choice. She wouldn’t have chosen to go through this her whole life. Deciding to transition is a choice. But being trans is NOT. Just like being gay isn’t a choice. When you were younger you didn’t decide to be straight. Did you? Nope, I guarantee you didn’t.

May 31, 2015 at 11:54
QueenFemminist97

QueenFemminist97

@f u Im happy that your sister is happy! I hope everything goes right with her transition! 😀

To answer your question this site goes in depth on what the bible says on a wide range of topics, here’s what they have to say on Transsexuals:

http://www.gotquestions.org/transsexualism-gender-identity-disorder.html

“The Bible has plenty to say about human sexuality. Most basic to our understanding of sex is that God created two (and only two) genders: “male and female He created them” (Genesis 1:27). All the modern-day speculation about numerous genders—or even a gender “continuum” with unlimited genders—is unbiblical.

In Psalm 139, we learn that God fashions each one of us. “For you created my inmost being; you knit me together in my mother’s womb. I praise you because I am fearfully and wonderfully made. . . . My frame was not hidden from you when I was made in the secret place. . . . your eyes saw my unformed body” (verses 13-16). God’s creation of each individual must surely include His designation of gender/sex. His wonderful work leaves no room for mistakes; no one is born with the “wrong body.”

I myself am a big ally to the Trans community. It must be sad to be stuck in a body that you don’t belong. I wish them all their best on their transitions and am all for their rights to be whoever they want. After all, the main theme of the Bible is Love, right?

May 31, 2015 at 12:22
Mandi Pi

Mandi Pi

^ I agree with the principle that being “transgender” is not right (or natural). I believe that God made everyone just the way they are for a reason. I believe that if you say that some people are born into a “wrong body”, you are saying that God makes mistakes. And if you say God makes mistakes, then you and I don’t believe in the same God.

May 31, 2015 at 16:28
rainbowuni

rainbowuni

^what if it’s not a mistake, though, and it’s simply God’s plan for their life?

May 31, 2015 at 16:44
Mandi Pi

Mandi Pi

@rainbow, interesting thought! I dislike arguing something that I can’t strongly back up, as I don’t want to pretend I know God’s every intention; so you did make me stop and think. 🙂

After pondering it, I don’t think God would purposefully create someone as the opposite gender that they identify with, for two reasons. Firstly, in Psalm 139:13-14, it says “For you formed my inward parts; you knitted me together in my mother’s womb. I praise you, for I am fearfully and wonderfully made. Wonderful are your works; my soul knows it very well.” Now, the first part of that verse tells me that God did indeed make me. Next, I see assurance that He made me in a specific way that He saw as beautiful and good. Lastly, I see that when I believe the first two parts of that passage, my soul–the very inner part of who I am and will be even after death–knows that I am a wonderful work of God’s hands. So taking into account those three things, especially the third, I should never have any reason to doubt how God made me and that He has great plans for me to carry out in the body He made. The second reason I am sticking to my original point is simply based on my belief that God does not create bad situations, He uses them. God knows that Satan will stir up evil in a person’s life, and He has plans for turning it around into something good, but God would never do something that would directly lead to pain, confusion, or hardship (which, based on what I hear, occurs when identifying with the opposite gender). This belief is backed up in Jeremiah 29:11, “For I know the plans I have for you, declares the Lord, plans for welfare and not for evil, to give you a future and a hope”, as well as in circumstances such as Paul being locked in prison, but singing praises to God and leading the guards to Christ (Acts 16:25-34).

If you see any holes in my argument or have more questions, please shoot–I’m all for things about which to think. 🙂

May 31, 2015 at 17:56
QueenFemminist97

QueenFemminist97

I hate to pull up the Kardashians but look at Bruce Jenner. Even though he is meant to be a woman, as a man he had multiple children. Children can affect things later. Now that those children are grown, perhaps gods purpose for putting him into a man’s body as been fulfilled

May 31, 2015 at 18:47
rainbowuni

rainbowuni

@Mandi
On that verse, I wouldn’t think that would mean people aren’t supposed to be transgender, again, what if that is simply God’s plan for a person? To be born as one gender, and at some point over the course of their life, realize that they’re not meant for the typical roles of that specific gender–it’s something that would help them grow as a person, as well as help people around them grow too.
As far as God not creating bad situations goes, I would think that one large reason being transgender is a struggle is because humans make it a struggle, by not accepting it and such. Also, there are a lot of other struggles people face that seem to come from God… Children born with down syndrome or autism, or who are deaf or blind, are certainly going to struggle at some points in life because of it…did God not create those things (I was always sort of under the impression he did…)?

May 31, 2015 at 19:11
Mandi Pi

Mandi Pi

@Queen, I don’t believe that God would create a person male and give them a purpose, then call them to change their gender to fulfill other purposes. If someone has completed their purpose, God calls them home to Him, and if He needs another purpose fulfilled, He creates or calls someone else; I do not think He calls us to change gender. If that were the case, don’t you think more people would be doing it?

@rainbow, point taken on people being born with autism, deafness, etc…I see how my theory may be flawed. Perhaps those things are a result of Satan tampering with God’s knitting [of us]? However, I suppose that would mean that Satan could also tamper enough to change the gender of the person, and by changing genders later in life, you’re fulfilling what God actually intended for you? It’s also possible that God simply does create people with things like autism. I really don’t–and can’t–know for sure. I will still say that I believe it’s not right to change how God made you, as that is what my interpretation of God’s word leads me to believe. I realize there can be many interpretations of it, but mine tells me that since each person fearfully and wonderfully made–and their very inner self can be convinced of that–that there should be no reason to change.

I will probably be back to reply to other comments, and may address your same comment, Rainbow, but currently, my juices have stopped flowing (and it’s late anyway), so farewell for now. 🙂

…P.S. If you reduce your computer screen zoom to 90%, the font in the comments gets so cute! Anyways. Continue with your mature conversation. 🙂

May 31, 2015 at 20:32
rainbowuni

rainbowuni

@Mandi
Okay 😀
One sort of related question, though: If there’s a way to “fix” something like autism or deafness, with modern medicine/technology, and we go with the idea that God made people this way, do you think it’s okay to use them? Like, would it be okay for a deaf person to get a cochlear implant (in your opinion)?

…P.S. Oh my gosh, it’s so cute! 😀

May 31, 2015 at 21:52
Mandi Pi

Mandi Pi

If God does indeed make people with autism or deafness and is the creator of those things that cause hardship, then no, I don’t think it would be morally right to attempt to “cure” or “fix” those things (since that aligns with my belief of not changing how God made you). However, after thinking more about my last comment, I fixate more on the idea of Satan tampering with, if you will, God’s making of us. I also now think that there would be a big difference between Satan causing a complication such as deafness or autism, and Satan causing something as drastic as changing the gender of God’s creation (in reference to the fourth sentence in my last reply). A disability does not define who a person is, it simply hinders them. However, the gender of a person obviously plays a big part in who they are. Therefore, if it were true that Satan causes things like autism, he would have the ability to hinder someone or cause hardship, but not the ability to change who that person is. (Does that make any sense?). And then of course, in this case, it would be okay to fix autism if we had the resources (even though having autism does not make one of any less value).

June 1, 2015 at 09:24
rainbowuni

rainbowuni

I don’t know that they’re all that different. There’s a lot of deaf people that say their deafness is part of their identity–and there’s a lot of transgender people that don’t feel it’s a huge part of their identity. Maybe the gender they’re assigned at birth is important to some people, but I don’t personally view my female body as a large or defining part of my identity (I’m just fortunate that I’m happy with it, and it makes it more socially acceptable for me to have long hair or wear pink).
There are people who don’t necessarily identify as transgender, and/or don’t want to change their bodies physically, but don’t identify with the typical feminine/masculine roles they’re sort of assumed to fit at birth–do you think that’s okay?

June 1, 2015 at 11:21
Mandi Pi

Mandi Pi

Firstly, if gender was not an important part of who you are, I don’t believe that God would have bothered to very particularly specify “male and female” in Genesis. I actually think it’s fine for guys to have a more feminine side or for girls to have a more masculine side; while God uses men and women in different ways, I don’t believe He intended for men and women to be complete opposite, and each woman to be the same and each man to be the same. I just think you shouldn’t take it so far as to say that I am going to change my gender.

June 1, 2015 at 11:57
QueenFemminist97

QueenFemminist97

@Mandi You’d be surprised at how large the Trans community really is. In my World Geography’s class alone there are two. (Who for the record are BEAUTIFUL girls who have had amazing transitions). There are children as low as the age of 6 who are transgender.

Often we are told that God knows our plan for life. He knows the choices we will make, the people we will meet, and the way we will affect them. Knowing this, when he created us he would know if we would become transgender. Another common teaching Christian’s hear often is that everything happens for a reason.

Perhaps someone born a male who feels female will meet someone as a man that they will affect. They will change their view of something, cause them to meet their future spouse, have them stumble upon their breakthrough job, etc. All of which that wouldn’t have happened had that person been a woman at birth. Once that has all been affected, God now knows that the person can change gender and be happy in their true body without negatively affecting someone else’s life. After all, God wants us to be happy and have a fulfilled life, right?

If someone does not feel like they are their true selves then wouldn’t he be supportive of them making the change?

June 1, 2015 at 12:25
rainbowuni

rainbowuni

@Mandi
Okay, so, if you woke up tomorrow, feeling just like you do today, but your body was that of a male, how would you feel? (Aside from the shock of your body being strangely different one day :D, so assume it was like that your whole life.) Say you don’t know why it’s this way, whether it was God, Satan, or a radioactive spider bite or whatever. First, would you still be comfortable in that body? If you’re expected to do things men are expected to do–marry a woman, father a child, etc.? Or would you prefer a change?


And elaborating on QueenFemminists point, some youtube documentaries:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bk_YlBM5JAE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=epDPui27QZQ

June 1, 2015 at 12:46
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