So for all those people who feel like talking about it, you can write your thoughts here. This should relieve the 100 Hard Things Challenge thread.
Please stay respectful.
|September 1, 2016 at 23:12|
I still need that reference. A reference would be the name of the book and the verse number(s) (ie, Genesis 1:1, not the actual verse or story).
Also, Jesus said that equally important to loving him was loving your neighbor as yourself. (Luke 10:27; Mark 12:31) Also, I feel as if I’m repeating myself so I will only say this one more time. Things are only idolatrous if you make them so. If you worship or serve them as God. Or, as I said, extreme greed. You should never discourage someone from loving, even if they don’t know God.
Romans 13:10 says “Love does no harm to it’s neighbor, it is the fulfillment of the law.”
I’ll list a few other verses about love that you can check out. My point is that God is never against love. He’s against lust, which is hurtful to other people. But lust is entirely different from love, even though they can be easily confused sometimes.
Here are the verses on love:
Also…I hate to bring it up, but God did say to love our enemies. (Luke 6:35) I don’t believe God meant we were to allow evil to exist (ie, we shouldn’t just let terrorists off the hook) but it does not allow much wiggle room for your view on murdering innocent families does it? Not if we are to love not only our neighbor, but also our enemy .
And remember, love doesn’t harm its neighbor. (1 Corinthians 13:10).
|September 2, 2016 at 09:28|
“thousands and thousands of years from now, you won’t be remembered.” Did I say I wanted to be remembered thousands of years from now? Because I don’t. I don’t care about being remembered thousands of years from now. I don’t care about being remembered a hundred years from now. I’ll be dead, I will literally be unable to care when people forget me–because I won’t even know it happens.
“Everything ends in death.” Thank God for that. If everything lasted for eternity, it would lose it’s meaning. If you have an infinite supply of $100 bills, they become valueless. If you have an infinite supply of life–an infinite number of days to live–why would you ever want to do anything? Why would you want to seize the day if you have an infinite supply? And wouldn’t you get bored, after a while? Questions.
“Because we’re Christians, you’re right: death doesn’t end everything. But from the viewpoint of a non believer, it does.” Well, not to all “non-believers.” Depending on your definition of “non-believer.” But a final question: Why should I believe as you do? I can’t believe it just because I want to, or because I want some perk such as a “meaningful” life that comes with it. So can you provide some other reason for me to believe that what you believe is actually true and factual?
|September 2, 2016 at 09:41|
@adventuregirl Do yo remember Jesus’s FIRST command? Love the Lord with all your heart, soul, mind and strength. MORE important than loving your neighbor.
1. How does God give life meaning? Because with God, death is not the end. We can live forever with him. We don’t just live our lives in pursuit of some chasing after the wind, we live them for Him. The good you can do will be multiplied by him.
|September 2, 2016 at 10:19|
@teenfashionista~ Ah, that sounds very good and spiritual. However, its incorrect.
“The second is equally important: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’ No other commandment is greater than these.”
Mark 12:31 NLT
Jesus’ words, not mine.
I will read Ezekiel 23 as soon as I’m home from school.
Also, you’re right–if something is idolatrous or adulterous, that is not love. But if you truly love, then that is not idolatrous or adulterous. They are different, and even if you do not know God, you can love (Good Samaritan story). If you want the definition of love, look up 1 Corinthians 13.
|September 2, 2016 at 10:32|
So, God gives life meaning by making it eternal, and living for eternity has meaning because God? …not sure I follow, but if that’s all you can give, okay.
No, I do not believe God exists.
|September 2, 2016 at 10:46|
@adventuregirl I’ve never heard of that translation before. All the others say the SECOND commandment, not the EQUAL commandment.
|September 2, 2016 at 12:53|
Ah, the fun of different Bible translations. 🙂
Actually, there are several other translations that say “The second [commandment] is like the first.” One is the Aramaic Bible in English. Aramaic is thought to be the language that Jesus spoke. I can find the others and list them for you if you like.
Matthew 22:39 and Luke 10:27 also say more or less the same thing, with quite a few translations saying “Equal to” in some form or fashion.
If you go back to the original language Matthew was written in (greek) the word for “like” is “homoios” which means “of equal rank”. The link is below in case you want to check it out 🙂
However, even if the version simply says “second”, it’s reasonable to assume that they are of equal importance, considering Jesus’ wording in that, “No commandment is greater than these.” Jesus seems to be grouping the commandments together. I think it’s also reasonable to assume this considering other stories and verses in scripture (e.g The Good Samaritan showed love and was praised by Jesus. Clearly, this is important to Jesus even though the Good Samaritan wasn’t Christian.)
And let’s assume for a second that I’m wrong, and loving your neighbor as yourself is not actually as significant as loving God. Jesus still says that “No commandment is greater than [this].” Which would mean…it would supersede the commandment to not idolize.
I.e. It would be more important to love someone than to abstain from it out of fear of idolizing.
|September 2, 2016 at 13:49|
On Ezekiel 23~That chapter has absolutely nothing to do with love. It is a story of two sister who were “wild with lust” who are whores/prostitutes.
|September 2, 2016 at 14:14|
LUST is love without God. They COULD have said they LOVED the assyrians, but it was really lust. So is anything to God thats love without him.
|September 2, 2016 at 14:30|
|September 2, 2016 at 15:06|
The dictionary does not define lust as “love without God”, and nowhere in the Bible does it say that lust is love without God either. If I somehow missed it, please give a reference.
When Jesus speaks of lust, (Matthew 5:28) the Greek word used for lust also means “covet.”
I realize you’re not advocating for not loving your neighbor. The point I’m trying to make is that love is important even if you’re not a Christian, because that’s how God designed the world (1 John 4:8 says God is love, so it’s reasonable to assume the world will work more smoothly if we use love when dealing with people, since people are created in God’s image.)
Loving people without God also does not destroy the point of Christianity. In the first place, if you love people without God, you are not a Christian and therefore wouldn’t care about Christianity.
In the second place, while loving God and people is an extremely important part of Christianity, the point of Christianity is what Jesus has already done for us (dying and being resurrected). You can’t destroy that no matter what you do or don’t do, because it’s already been done.
|September 2, 2016 at 15:22|
Also, they could not have said they “loved” the Assyrians. There was nothing 1 Corinthians 13 (how God defines love) about their relationships with them.
|September 2, 2016 at 15:25|
Another thing–Let’s go back to what you said about lust being love without God. If that were the case, then any non-Christian children who loved parents would be lusting after their parents. That is really too bizarre to even consider.
|September 2, 2016 at 17:14|
True love is a gift of the spirit.
|September 4, 2016 at 09:59|
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