I was talking to one of my co-workers and he asked me “Why does God have to be perfect?” growing up in a Christian home I know that God is perfect because The Bible says He is I just don’t know how to articulate why. Like my co-worker asked “Why can’t God just be a good (albeit powerful) guy who makes mistakes? If I am made in His image and I make mistakes why does He have to be perfect?” Of course, when I said that God was perfect the “How can a perfect God make an imperfect devil” debate came up but that’s a different story. My question and my coworkers question is simply why does God HAVE to be perfect? What would happen if He wasn’t? What would that change and how would it affect us? Thank you all in advance!
|August 21, 2016 at 10:40|
If God was not perfect, he wouldn’t be God. He would just be another version of us, and we’re SINFUL. SINFULNESS is not God. And btw, God didn’t MAKE the devil sinful. He never made anything sinful. The devil just chose to be sinful of his own choice, though God had it in his will. If he wasn’t perfect, then we’d all basically belong to Satan. Hope this makes sense xD
|August 21, 2016 at 10:58|
Hmmmm interesting question. But really, why would God choose to make mistakes if he could be perfect? Who would do that? If I could, I would be perfect. Besides, if God made mistakes we couldn’t really trust him 100% of the time could we?
About the devil…that’s a whole other topic. I believe Satan and demons are figurative concepts, not literal beings (and I have done tons of reading on it and the history of the bible so I’ll create a topic on it sometime, but not now cuz it would take too long ha)
|August 21, 2016 at 11:17|
God never CREATED sin, but in his amazing and wonderful will, he allowed it to happen. And Satan isn’t real??? Where does it say that?
|August 21, 2016 at 11:45|
It’s a really complicated topic, one that I think we can’t quite wrap our minds around in its entirety. Having said that, the conclusion I’ve come to is that, if God was not perfect, then we would all be gods. Like the others said, God did not create the devil, and He didn’t create evil either. Evil is the (perhaps theoretical) absence of good.
AdventureGirl–here’s something mind boggling to think about: if evil is the absence of good, does it truly “exist”? Does the absence of something constitute “something” at all?
My philosophical side coming out 😉
|August 21, 2016 at 12:32|
Nino~It is mind boggling 0_0 This may sound weird, but I’ve wondered before if evil is the absence of knowledge. I mean think about it, a lot of selfishness comes from fear of not having enough–so if you knew for sure you’d always have enough, maybe you wouldn’t be selfish. Same with jealousy: Sometimes we’re jealous of someone because we think they have a perfect life, but if we knew what they struggled with, or how hard they worked for something, maybe we wouldn’t be jealous.
And the same thing goes for rudeness, anger, hate etc.
If people knew, like really knew, how much God loved them and was for them, and wanted to bless them, would they feel the need to be hateful or violent?
It would explain how there could still be free will in Heaven, and yet we wouldn’t sin (because we would “see everything clearly”–1 Corinthians 13:12)
|August 21, 2016 at 16:54|
Lol also, I hate questions like that Nino! xD It’s like when scientists says the cold or dark doesn’t exist, because it’s just the absence of heat/light. I’m like but GOSH DARN IT, IT DOES EXIST! Hahaha 🙂
|August 21, 2016 at 16:59|
AdventureGirl- I think that certainly can be the case, but not limited to knowledge… a lot of evil stems from lack of love. If you look at many of history’s “most evil people” (I don’t think someone can be truly “evil” in the true essence of the word, but for simplicity’s sake I’ll say this) they had extremely difficult childhoods, suffered lots of abuse and endured extremely difficult situations. If you look at many of their lives, it appears almost as if they don’t know how to be any other way, and they have seized control of others’ lives perhaps because they never had control over their own…
And about the lack of existence…what does it mean for something to exist in the first place? 😀 We perceive things that “don’t exist”…does that mean that they exist, even if only in our minds? Haha sorry ,:D
OP- Sorry we’ve kinda derailed your thread here 😉
|August 21, 2016 at 18:13|
“A bad childhood doesn’t make you evil, but I’ve never heard of an evil person who didn’t have a bad childhood.”
Idk if this is completely true, but it seems legit.
When I think of existence I think of something that has physical, emotional or spiritual matter. But yesssss! That’s exactly it, we perceive cold and dark (and evil) so since we can perceive it, I feel it MUST exist. Or else what are we perceiving?
|August 21, 2016 at 19:33|
PS If you want we can make a new thread so we don’t take away from @22’s topic.
|August 21, 2016 at 19:35|
But I don’t understand. People have CONSCIENCES to tell them the right thing to do, and they disobey them out of their own descision. And what about when Satan literally appeared before God in Job to ask if he could test Job?
|August 22, 2016 at 09:31|
AdventureGirl- Well, when you don’t get enough love yourself, it’s hard to love a humanity which seems to have betrayed you.. So both.
Yes, I totally agree with that quote, 100%
Does something exist because we can perceive it, or can we perceive it because it exists? 😉
theteenfashionista- Yes, of course people have consciences. But it’s not as simple as that. One’s conscience might become distorted because of their life experiences and upbringing…I believe this can be reversed, but if that individual does not form a strong support base (which, depending on the circumstances, may be nearly impossible to do), it’d be easy to find a, albeit false, sense of fulfillment and strength in doing bad things.
|August 22, 2016 at 11:37|
The Navajo have a story about your conscience which I think is very true. It starts like a triangle. When you do something wrong, one side pricks your heart. But if you don’t do the right thing, time after time, the sharp points get duller and duller until it is only a circle spinning around. (Of course, when we become Christians, God can change that.) But for most ppl, that’s the norm.
|August 22, 2016 at 11:43|
I do agree that when we don’t do the right things we become perverted and find a false sense of fullfillment and strength in the wrong.
|August 22, 2016 at 11:44|
theteenfashionista- I totally agree that a traumatic early life isn’t any excuse for committing atrocities…tons of people have been through unthinkable horrors and still manage to make a positive impact in our world. But we also need to take mental health–and the effect that trauma can have on it (*can* have on it, because not everybody’s mind works the same way). If you don’t have any support, how are you supposed to have the strength to completely change your life on your own? If we imagine that the triangle is not only of conscience but of feelings in general (such as empathy), then we can say that for some this triangle is worn down into a circle by the experience they’ve been through which, in some cases, can completely numb you from feeling anything emotionally. If this is the case, then you need extensive support which is not often readily available.
|August 22, 2016 at 12:16|
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